#: 6816 S0/CompuServe Mail
    31-May-97  12:25:23
Sb: Win 95
Fm: Frank Haber > [76702,522]
To: Robert J. Sawyer [102261,1433]

If you two will be satisfied with DOS 7, it's easy.  Just remember that many 
of the DOS utils are not supplied any more, or are on the CD and not 
installed by default.  ATTRIB is there, though.  Note that MSDOS.SYS is now a 
textfile (!).

ATTRIB -R -S -H MSDOS.SYS

EDIT MSDOS.SYS (or WS MSDOS.SYS /N, trailing ^Z is OK)

^KR or type in the following, dupes and capitalization immaterial.

----clipclip------

BOOTMENU=1
BOOTMENUDELAY=12
BOOTGUI=0
BOOTKEYS=1

---endclipclip------

There's also a BootMenuDefault= item, in case you want the boot to default to 
something weird, like "logged safe mode commandline."

It's very difficult to install MSDOS 6.xx after the fact, unfortunately.  DOS 
7 is fine for 99% of DOS programs (the evil 1% are mostly games).

THROW OUT NORTON, PCTOOLS, ETC. (anything that fiddles with disks on the 
sector level).  They're pure death with 95's kludgy long file name scheme.  
You WILL have long filenames in some of the 95 directories, like it or not.

You can get away with file managers like XTREE if you scrupulously avoid 
touching things with long names (dirs especially).  There's a 32-bit "console 
mode" (char. mode) XTREE clone called "ZTREE Win 32" that's pretty nice, 
and safe.  I registered it.  

                          ------------

Remember how I used to rib you for computing naked?  Here's some ammunition 
back.  The above dense, cryptic bit of Haber-iana came to you from a New 
Frankie, who's currently sitting at the computer while bouncing on a huge 
squishy gym ball.  Beats smoking, eh?  


=================================================================



#: 226603 S6/WordStar Discussion
    20-Aug-97  10:47:39
Sb: WordStar & Win 95 tips
Fm: Robert J. Sawyer 76702,747
To: all

Hi, ho.

Well, I spent some time this morning trawling through old message files from
this Forum, using ProFinder to search on "Windows 95," "Win 95" and "Win95,"
and I came across three particularly useful old messages.  Chuck
Christenson's message about setting up a WordStar shortcut with proper memory
settings worked just fine and Robert Levenson's advice on printing solved my
problem with InSet.  I haven't tried Jim Gainsley's advice yet, but it looks
very useful, too.

Here are the messages:

============================================================================


| #: 220697 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
|     24-Nov-96  16:23:32
| Sb: #220667-#WS-DOS and Win95
| Fm: Chuck Christenson 76702,432
| To: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63 (X)

From what you say, I take it that you have WS7D installed on your hard drive,
that it runs properly from DOS, and that you have created a shortcut to WS7D
on the Start menu of Win95.

The following instructions are based on boilerplate that Frank Haber
developed for installing TapCIS to run under Win95. The "icon adjustment"
instructions are for substituting a WordStar-specific icon for the
DOS-generic one that Win95 might be using; disregard if you already have the
WordStar icon.

_______________________________________
Properties/Icon Adjustment for WordStar under Windows 95 (Preliminary Draft).

o Right click on your shortcut (which can be on the desktop or in a folder
of your choice).  Select Properties.

o You'll see one of the new tabbed dialogues.  To change the icon, select the
Program tab.  Click Change Icon.  Click browse.    Navigate up your directory
tree until you find the main WS directory, and double-click to bring its
files up.  You'll see EXE, DLL and ICO files, since all these can contain
icons.  You want WS.ICO.  Double-click it, then hit OK.

{Advanced: You shouldn't have to play with the settings on the advanced
screen.  WS runs fine for 99% of users with the regular "Suggest MS-DOS
mode" checked.  Full MS-DOS mode essentially requires a reboot to a custom
mini-config and autoexec.  It's a pain, not to be used unless you have to.}

o You're not done.  Move over two tabs and select the Memory dialogue.  All
fields should show "Auto."  The only area you have to change is the XMS one.
Change it to 2048 and make sure the uses HMA box is checked.

o Move over one tab and look at the Screen dialogue.  Here you have a
choice.

You can leave things as they are and display WS in a window, graphically.
You'll have access to more 95 cut/paste, etc. features, but screen display and
operation will be slower.  Or, you can change things to Full-screen for
maximum speed and a good old-fashioned character display.

{Advanced: Set the initial size and Window settings to taste.  The jury's out
on the Performance settings.  There's some indication that most machines
perform better with Fast ROM emulation ON and Dynamic Memory Allocation OFF.}

o One more.  Move right again to the Misc(ellaneous) screen.  Move idle
sensitivity all the way left to Low.  Make sure that Warn if still active is
checked.  I recommend you uncheck Allow screen saver.  None of the other
settings seem critical so far.

o Note that I haven't messed with the font tab and dialogue.  Play if you
insist.

o Click OK.  You're done.
_______________________________________

As Paul Davis has already told you, if you operate in Windowed mode rather
than Full-screen mode, you can toggle between a "maximized" window and a
"normal" window by clicking on the middle icon in the upper right corner of
the window. Also, you can toggle between Windowed mode and Full-screen mode
using [Alt+Enter].

I'm not sure why you're having printing problems. What printer are you using?
What PDF? You might try Start | Help and search for help on MS-DOS printer
problems to get some trouble-shooting tips.


                                    -- Chuck

=================================================================

| #: 222161 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
|     11-Jan-97  18:15:31
| Sb: #220672-WS-DOS and Win95
| Fm: Robert W. Levenson 103217,1461
| To: Paul H. Davis 72662,1441

Paul,

I saw your note about the "insufficient memory to load inset" error message
when I was looking through the messages. Here's a very weird way that I found
to fix that. Go into your Win95 printer properties for the printer you are
using with Wordstar (the best way to do this is to right click on the printer
icon in the printer folder in My Computer--that way you won't be accessing a
printer shortcut, which doesn't have these tabs).  Select the "Details" tab
and then the  port setting. You'll see a box that says "Spool MS-DOS
jobs"--clear the check mark from that box. Then check the OK boxes until the
printer properties boxes are closed. If Wordstar is open, close it down and
start it up again. Try to print something with graphics and it should work
fine (except that the job won't be spooled).  (You might have to reboot Win95
before this takes effect--I don't remember if that was necessary).

From a bit of memory snooping, here's what I think is happening. Inset is
loaded when a graphic is printed under Wordstar and then it is unloaded,
freeing up its memory, when the graphic is printed. However, whatever the
signal is that tells Inset to unload itself is eliminated by the Win95 print
spooler when it spools DOS jobs.  Because of that, Wordstar keeps loading
additional copies of Inset and thus runs out of memory.

Note, all of your Windows jobs will still be spooled with this "fix", only
the DOS jobs will not (a mild inconvenience, I've found, but an acceptable
one).

Also, if this works for you, you can restore all of the memory hogging
features of Wordstar (e.g., not sharing memory between thesaurus and
spelling, etc.--they aren't the problem.

Let me know if this works.

Bob


=================================================================

| #: 218330 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
|     25-Aug-96  22:24:15
| Sb: #218327-WSDOS & Win95
| Fm: Jim Gainsley 76703,1007
| To: Richard Berry 73467,1751

I've been running WS in DOS 7 for sometime now and there really aren't any
particular problems.  You will want to have:
device=himem.sys
device = emm386.exe ram x=c000-c7ff, etc. for other roms.
dos=umb,high

And a buffers= statement, as well as maybe smartdrv, and a path statement.

When you get done, you'll need to have a minimum of 550k free for WS --
sometimes a tad more.

You can provide these things in an SDAM shortcut .pif, in the Advanced,
'Specify new MS-DOS mode', Configuration entry. This avoids having to keep
the above files loaded when your working in win95.  If you do a great deal of
16-bit DOS work, then perhaps you'd want to put these in a Config.sys and
Autoexec.bat file.  That way you can just check 'Use MS-DOS Mode' in the
.pif, and the computer won't need to reboot everytime you switch around. But,
on occasion I've had the program crash doing this... A DOS window isn't as
easy to manage for a high resource hound like ws, as is the SDAM.

If the above words go 'too far, too fast', for your win95 experience, let me
know and I'll give you, and tell you exactly where to get all of the
information you'll need.

  -jg-


================================================================= 

#: 220667 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    22-Nov-96  21:35:28
Sb: #219982-#WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63
To: Chuck Christenson 76702,432 (X)

Chuck,

I've been dragged kicking and screaming directly from DOS to WIN95, and the
only way I've been able to get WS7D to run properly is to restart in DOS
mode. What's the trick you mentioned?  If I try to run WS7D from the start
menu I get a small screen (that won't enlarge), and the printed page comes
out all messed up (wide left margin with text running off the right side of
the page).

Please, please tell me how to get WS7D to run under WIN95.

thanx!!

Larry


#: 219982 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    27-Oct-96  19:35:30
Sb: #219975-#WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Chuck Christenson 76702,432
To: Vicki Mitchell 76234,1317

Yes, you can run WordStar 7.0 quite successfully under Win95 -- especially
if, as you suggest, you upgrade to revision D, which can use XMS memory. If
you need any help on getting it set up, including installing it to run from
the Win95 Start menu, just ask here.

                                    -- Chuck


#: 220672 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    23-Nov-96  09:43:25
Sb: #220667-#WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Paul H. Davis 72662,1441
To: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63 (X)

I don't have any problem running WS6 in Win95 ... other than the fact that it
won't print graphics.  I always get the flag "insufficient memory to load
Inset".  How's that for irony on a machine with 49 meg of RAM!

Your screen view can be enlarged by just clicking on the middle icon on the
set of three in the upper right hand corner.  That should take you to full
screen view.  You can also set this up as the default by right-clicking your
executable file in My Computer or Windows Explorer, then clicking Properties
and then selecting Full-Screen in the little option box.

Actually, it may not be as simple as that.  Seems like every time I've had to
deal with that issue I've had to chase it around through several doorways
until I got it to behave the way I wanted.  But it can be done.

 Paul H. Davis
 running OzWIN2.11 at 05:34:07 on 23-Nov-96 in WordStar Forum +


#: 220677 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    23-Nov-96  14:52:22
Sb: #220672-#WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Jon Holden-Dye 100117,2514
To: Paul H. Davis 72662,1441 (X)

Paul,

>> I don't have any problem running WS6 in Win95 ... other than the fact that
it won't print graphics.  I always get the flag "insufficient memory to load
Inset".  How's that for irony on a machine with 49 meg of RAM! <<

    How much "Conventional Memory" (the 0 - 640k block) is available ? (Type
MEM at the DOS command prompt, and look in the table for the "Conventional",
"Free" value. If it's much less than 600k (trying to recall from some years
back here !), then Inset can't load. Probably due to drivers etc., in your
CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXEC.BAT, loading into lower memory. If you want to try and
improve things, Shut Down, with the "Restart the computer in MS-DOS mode"
option, press F8, when the "Starting Windows 95 . . ." message appears, type
MEMMAKER and follow the instructions.

    Pardon me, if I'm teaching Granny to suck eggs !

Cheers, Jon H-D


  -J Holden-Dye

#: 220693 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    24-Nov-96  11:50:18
Sb: #220677-WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Paul H. Davis 72662,1441
To: Jon Holden-Dye 100117,2514 (X)

>> If it's much less than 600k (trying to recall from some years back here
!), then Inset can't load. <<

Yeah, it's 596k ... right on the edge.

#: 220697 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    24-Nov-96  16:23:32
Sb: #220667-#WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Chuck Christenson 76702,432
To: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63 (X)

From what you say, I take it that you have WS7D installed on your hard drive, 
that it runs properly from DOS, and that you have created a shortcut to WS7D 
on the Start menu of Win95.

The following instructions are based on boilerplate that Frank Haber 
developed for installing TapCIS to run under Win95. The "icon adjustment" 
instructions are for substituting a WordStar-specific icon for the 
DOS-generic one that Win95 might be using; disregard if you already have the 
WordStar icon.

_______________________________________
Properties/Icon Adjustment for WordStar under Windows 95 (Preliminary Draft).

o Right click on your shortcut (which can be on the desktop or in a folder 
of your choice).  Select Properties.

o You'll see one of the new tabbed dialogues.  To change the icon, select the 
Program tab.  Click Change Icon.  Click browse.    Navigate up your directory 
tree until you find the main WS directory, and double-click to bring its 
files up.  You'll see EXE, DLL and ICO files, since all these can contain 
icons.  You want WS.ICO.  Double-click it, then hit OK.

{Advanced: You shouldn't have to play with the settings on the advanced 
screen.  WS runs fine for 99% of users with the regular "Suggest MS-DOS 
mode" checked.  Full MS-DOS mode essentially requires a reboot to a custom 
mini-config and autoexec.  It's a pain, not to be used unless you have to.}

o You're not done.  Move over two tabs and select the Memory dialogue.  All 
fields should show "Auto."  The only area you have to change is the XMS one. 
Change it to 2048 and make sure the uses HMA box is checked.

o Move over one tab and look at the Screen dialogue.  Here you have a 
choice. 

You can leave things as they are and display WS in a window, graphically. 
You'll have access to more 95 cut/paste, etc. features, but screen display and 
operation will be slower.  Or, you can change things to Full-screen for 
maximum speed and a good old-fashioned character display.

{Advanced: Set the initial size and Window settings to taste.  The jury's out 
on the Performance settings.  There's some indication that most machines 
perform better with Fast ROM emulation ON and Dynamic Memory Allocation OFF.}

o One more.  Move right again to the Misc(ellaneous) screen.  Move idle 
sensitivity all the way left to Low.  Make sure that Warn if still active is 
checked.  I recommend you uncheck Allow screen saver.  None of the other 
settings seem critical so far.

o Note that I haven't messed with the font tab and dialogue.  Play if you 
insist.

o Click OK.  You're done.
_______________________________________

As Paul Davis has already told you, if you operate in Windowed mode rather 
than Full-screen mode, you can toggle between a "maximized" window and a 
"normal" window by clicking on the middle icon in the upper right corner of 
the window. Also, you can toggle between Windowed mode and Full-screen mode 
using [Alt+Enter].

I'm not sure why you're having printing problems. What printer are you using? 
What PDF? You might try Start | Help and search for help on MS-DOS printer 
problems to get some trouble-shooting tips.


                                    -- Chuck

#: 220700 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    24-Nov-96  17:50:12
Sb: #220697-#WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63
To: Chuck Christenson 76702,432 (X)

Thanks for the information.  I'll give it a try tomorrow (Monday) and see
what happens.

I tried clicking on the middle button, and it does enlarge the WS7D screen
somewhat, but it is still not full screen, and the typeface is a little odd
(compressed looking).

As for the printer, I'm using an HPLJII.  The problem, I think, is in the
font program.  I'm using Glyphix fonts, and WS is loaded from a file called
GXL.EXE.  I really like the fonts that are available, and the fact that they
are continuously scalable from 4 pt to 100+ pts.

I'll get back with you as soon as I check this out.

Thanx!!

     / Larry /


#: 220702 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    24-Nov-96  19:26:57
Sb: #220700-WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Chuck Christenson 76702,432
To: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63 (X)

The "maximized" window may not fill the screen, but it should show you
everything you would see on a DOS screen with the same number of lines
displayed.

Both the size of the "maximized" window and the appearance of the font will
depend upon the font you choose to use in the display. You can change the
font from the Font tab in the Properties dialog. There's also a Font list box
at the left of the toolbar in the window.

I wouldn't be surprised that your printing problem is associated with the use
of the Glyphix fonts; for some reason they might not be getting downloaded to
the printer. You might want to raise this problem on the MSWIN95 forum.

                                    -- Chuck

#: 220716 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    25-Nov-96  10:12:23
Sb: #220667-WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Mark P. Fishman 73127,617
To: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63 (X)

Larry:

My current machine at work has MS-Windows 95 on it -- it took a while, don't
ask -- and runs WS7D just fine. In the MS-DOS Prompt from the Start Menu (NOT
MS-DOS mode!), I have two WS-windows open with 324kB used and 258kB
available.

I did NOTHING to make this work, except that I have almost nothing in my
CONFIG and AUTOEXEC. (MS-DOS mode has its own startup configuration so for
MS-Win95 I don't need anything in CONFIG or AUTOEXEC.) I run the MS-DOS
prompt, if it's a window I press Alt-Enter to make it full-screen text mode,
and run WS7 in the old-fashioned way, from the command-line.

What more do you want to know?

Cheers -- Mark F.

#: 221861 S6/WordStar Discussion  [SOFTKEY]
    02-Jan-97  01:59:26
Sb: #220667-WS-DOS and Win95
Fm: Thomas Sipos 74062,665
To: Larry L. Burriss 73557,63

I had the same problem as you.  Ran DOS & WS for ten years, then bought a WIN
95 machine this year.

Best way to run WS under WIN 95 is to go to the Start Menu, press Shut Down,
then press Restart in MS-DOS mode.

I do so, then go to my WS directory, run Switch, then run AHD to load the
dictionary.  This works fine for me. 

